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Posted by pbxesisti on 03.01.2011 at 21:23:

PBXes Codecs


we are phoning with the devices and softphones as follows:

AVM 7270 (Siemens DECT phones)
Snom M9
Xlite 4.0
Bria 3.0

All these are supporting a great amount of codecs.

Can you tell me which ones are supported by you?

G711 and G722 are surely supported. G729 as well. Which other codecs could be used?

Thank you.


Posted by Diafora on 04.01.2011 at 02:37:

RE: PBXes Codecs

Below you will find a few notes which refer to vocoders' use with PBXes:

• The G.729 is supported in Pass-through mode, unless a license has been specifically purchased for it. All SIP UAs should support it for a call to take place with it.
• The G.711 (a or u) is required to be present in the SDP, even if it is never used during a call. If it is not present on the SDP the call (even extension to extension) will never take place.
• Most soft-phones don't include the G.729 vocoder natively.

Posted by pbxesisti on 04.01.2011 at 23:17:

RE: PBXes Codecs

Thank you for your answer...

You have meantioned actually G711 and G729 only. Which other codecs are supported by PBXes? G722 is definitely supported. It can be chosen in the general settings.

Are there any other codecs you support?



Posted by telagente00 on 05.01.2011 at 17:50:

RE: PBXes Codecs

If you look at the account details just to the left of the page you will see the codecs and other details,

Posted by pbxesisti on 05.01.2011 at 19:01:

RE: PBXes Codecs

Thank you, I have them :-)

H263 Video
G722 HD Voice
G729 Passthru



Posted by Diafora on 05.01.2011 at 21:59:

RE: Best practices for using vocoders with PBXes

Lots of other vocoders are supported, but the ones I mentioned make all the difference. The rest of them range from superfluous to nice to have, as far as the day to day operation of PBXes accounts or any other VoIP service is concerned.

Starting from the superfluous the whole G.726 series should be made extinct: G726-16, G726-24, G726-32, G726-40. When used they create relatively high bandwidth utilization, with a comparable medium MOS result. Best avoided at all times, since other vocoders have better characteristics.

The nice to have category includes the following compressed vocoders: Speex, G.723.1 r63, AMR, GSM EFR, iLBC. Although these vocoders have relatively low bandwidth utilization, with a comparable high MOS result, they have not been widely implemented in hardware devices. So when you use them from your side (on your ATA, soft-phone, IP-phone) to call either OnNet or PSTN destinations, chances are your call will be transcoded to another vocoder, so it can conform with the available vocoders of the other side (SIP UA).

Most of the time PSTN gateways are being configured to only allow the G.729 or G.711 vocoders, so all the calls which pass through them will reach the PSTN destination in these vocoders, instead of the ones the call started with. This creates all kinds of havoc, since all of the transcoding RTP proxies have not been created equal, Re-Invites cannot be used, since the RTP proxy needs to handle all the RTP packets in order to transcode them, which will most probably add significant delay and jitter to the voice packets.

The above scenario applies to OnNet calls as well, where PSTN gateways are not involved, but all SIP User Agents (ATAs, soft-phones, IP-phones) don't support the same vocoders, or similar SIP UAs might not be configured identically. So unless you can verify the RTP packets on both SIP UAs have used the same vocoder, chances are your call will be transcoded and will sound worse than if you had used the G.729 vocoder all the way through, which saves of the bandwidth of a call with G.711.

Having said that, with the advent of G.722 which creates the same amount of bandwidth utilization as the G.711 vocoders, but sounds 3 to 4 times better than G.711, using G.711 for OnNet calls is a complete waste of bandwidth. No additional voice quality is transmitted as with the use of G.722 vocoder, and no bandwidth saving is realized as with the use of G.729 vocoder, when voice packets are required to span many networks.

To make a long story short, use the G.729 in Pass-thru mode for PSTN calls, and the G.722 for OnNet calls. Forget G.726 entirely, and verify before you use any of the Speex, G.723.1 r63, AMR, GSM EFR, iLBC vocoders, to ensure there is no transcoding on the remote call leg.

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